on Norman Sandler

The ?Boss?, ?Norm?

Copyright 2009

Sam James

I remeber Nevil going to see the boss and telling him that he wanted to matriculate 1 year ahead of our claas. Sandler was pissed off because he expected 6 or 7 destinctions form Nevil the next year and refused to let him move up one year. Nevil threatened to leave the school and Sandler gave in. He moved from form 4 to form 5 and graduated a year ahead of the rest of us. No destinctions.

Steve Selesnick

somewhere someone mentioned neville dove wanted to matriculate 1 year earlier and Mr Sandler said no. and then yes.
a friend of mine, and yes i had afriend back then, not in our year, was approached by Sandler in Form 4 and told that he must do B stream he was very upset as his dream was to be a doctor. sandler laughed and said no-no, but after my friend?s parents said that he would go to another school and mr sandler saw the money going , he agreed to it and advised they were wasting their money.
my friend passed, did a bsc, did medicine and came to live in north america where he practiced as a cardiologist. many years later, his brother had a major heart attack and needed a new heart. because of my friends position, his brother had surgery and survives.
if my friend and family had listened to MISTER sandler it might have had a different outcome.
how many lives did that ass hole ruin? we might never know. how many dreams did he crush? we might never know that too.

(Davis)  Dear Steve,
I must disagree with u. Uncle Norm was an incredible character. I remember when the red light on the intercom started flashing, when his head appeared at the only clear window pane, when the whole class was ordered to the administration block, the dark brown corridor that led to his office, the door opened after the sounds of four lashings, then the next student entered? I attended our school gathering in Newport Beach California. My wife was stunned that we would be attending a school reunion for me, an African American, and that we had never attended one of her school reunions. Karen was educated in Boston. I told her that as soon as they start dancing the Horah we will leave. Before the appetizers were served everyone was doing the Horah. Karen looked at me. I told her we cannot leave because these are my people. Uncle Norm was there from Australia. I introduced myself to him. Personally I don?t think he remembered me but hopefully he remembered my dad who was very active in organizing the KDHS fetes. Life is unfair and it only gets worse but I still respect Uncle Norm and I thank u all for this rejuvenating 40th gathering.

Aubrey Ginsberg

My vote goes to Gary
I believe that he was the right man at the right time can u imagine what all us spoilt Jewish brats (especially me )would have become without a bit of the ?boss? I must still hold the record for the most cuts in any year not being one of the better scholars i believe that he gave me a sense of values and also a pretty good Jewish background . Gary dont remember much? Hora? but have very fond memories of the downstairs toilet where many cigarettes and joints were smoked

Sheryl Lopis

He was never my hero either ? I think I was totally intimidated by ?the Boss? at school.
But I must say, I arrived in perth, alone, in 2000, never having been here before, and not knowing anyone ( my family stayed in Jhb and only joined me later). The Boss was among the first to call me, and extend some real Yiddish hospitality and warmth. He was already quiteill at that stage, and I was touched by his kindness. And I must say he remembered us all!

Ashley Davidoff

E mail communication with Naomi Stein together with the conversations about the boss have been playing on my mind and bothering me ? both prompting me to wake up at 4:30 this morning and rush to try and work the bother out on ?conversation with friends on the web?
?. so this was an extract of my communication with Naomi

?I woke up early this morning ? prompted by what you said about not speaking to boys I think, and also prompted by some conversations on facebook regarding Norman Sandler who fostered the ?talented? and tended to ignore those who were not talented in the ?classicial way? ? sports and academics A whole group of people were left out

For some reason the boy girl thing seemed only for early romantic whimperings of those who were popular and hormonally mature There was no interaction on a human level between boys and girls. (No ?platonic friendships? as we used to say). I had no idea what was going on in the minds of the girls at the time ? and just knew their academic talents (because the boss had stratified the ?smart? from the ?not so smart?, and in sports as an ?a team? or ?b team? or a ?no team? person. Life at King David School (and perhaps in many schools at the time) was about competition and winning or losing.

So now we are 40 years older, and a little wiser, and from the boy-girl thing I realise how much we missed out. I am not surprised at our strong need to get to know each other at this level now.?
It is much different with my children and their friends even in the ?dog eat dog? culture of America. It is a pleasure to see the ?platonic? interactions of our children. Wish I could understand this more mature and healthy interaction .

I am trying to work these two things out and whether they have anything to do with each other ? ie the boss created a situation where certain people were idolised  ? demeaning by default others who were not ? loss of self esteem and the consequences in relationships  invite your thoughts ? particulalrly the psychologists among us

Lindsay Leveen

The thing about Sandler is so true. Sam sharp can comment on my statistical analysis but Sandler?s name should never have been Norm. Norm mean the average and the part of a normal bell curve that includes the mean. Sandler did not include the mean he was just mean. Steve Selesnic is not on this thread so I will post to thread three as well as Steve brought up that Norm was a poephol. Sandler had a passion and interest for those that were a standard deviation and above the mean. In a normal distribution this only includes some 5% of the population. With 150 kids in each form her liked about 10 and did not give a hoot about the others except that they should pass matric and not ruin his averages. It is paradoxical he was called Norm when he had no interest in the norm. Maybe he should have been called Deviant Sandler as he was only interested those who had positive deviations.

Tevis Shapiro

I arrived at KDHS at the beginning of the 2nd term in 1967. Strange timing but this was occasioned by an anti-semitic incident at my school in Vryheid. It was caused by a teacher who had been in the Whermacht during the war and he had some comments about my late father who, like Terry?s dad, had been captured in North Africa, put ?in the bag? and ?gone over the wire? when the Italians capitulated. He also kept in touch with the Italian families who helped him make it to Switzerland. He was a typical Litvak so didn?t talk about that period of his life. History lost!
I recall my 1st day at KDHS. Felt the pressure so decided to go for a smoke in the bottom bog after the 1st period. Robert Lawrence walked but wasn?t wearing his blazer. Asked me what I thought I was doing. I replied that if he didn?t know I was having a smoke he had better wise up!!
He returned 5 minutes later wearing his blazer and off to the Boss. Norman?s words were ?I knew I would see you soon but I didn?t think it would be this soon? Also said ?This will hurt me more than you?
Might add he had a vested interest! His family in Kimberley introduced my parents to each other!

David Garb

Managed to catch up with some of the earlier contributions today. Fascinated by Naomi?s take on school as well as yours Michelle. My view was similar. I saw King David as requiring three aspects in order to be acknowledged or noticed: Brilliant academically, brilliant at sports, or stunning to look at ? sex appeal. There was a fourth category of rebels. What wasn?t tolerated was ordinary. KDHS was probably my motivator to look at alternate ways of educating. School for the average ?norm? guys was simply invisible. I could write screeds on my perspective on Norman Sandler. I will add this ? I finally overcame all fear and loathing for that man at Sam Sharp?s wedding. I was stoned off my face, and when I saw Norm, I sat down at his table and had a talk to him. All I could see in front of me was a scared, tired, paranoid old man with little to offer. I packed Norm into the back of my mind from that day on.
Lindsay Leveen
This is all about as the world turns. David when I saw Norm at the reunion we had about 12 years ago in LA I too saw him as a feeble wimp. Without his dog and his bamboo cane he was a nobody.
Tevis Shapiro
This thread is becoming like the ?Book Of Revelations?. For many years I wondered where I fitted into the KDHS scheme of things! It always seemed to be that during 2nd term I was ?one of the Manne? but attitutdes changed after that, particularly from Norman. I was never an academic and that, even though I say it myself, was not due to lack of intellectual ability. There was just no focus. I suppose I could just have drifted through school in that great amorphous mass of pupils [Sorry, in SA today that is a derogatory term, we must call them Learners] who were not on the A list and thus brought ?glory? to the school. BUT, I was a rugby player who was a 1st teamer for 2 years and, if Norman had had his way, I would have been a 1st teamer for a 3rd year [1970] He suggested to my folks that I do another year at school and maybe my results would have been better.Being in the hostel, with my type of personality, I just drifted along, did enough to pass and then that was that. Norman was, with hindsight, probably yhe worst individual influence I could have had! His meglomania was fed by the academic success of the school and the success of the sport teams, neither of which had anything to do with him! Hence when I read all the bios and see the acadmic achievmnets of all you guys, I remain silent because I don?t come close but I bask in reflected glory!!
(Kooper)
oh gosh it is so great that there are other people who feel like me about the BOSS.. I didn?t mention the end of the story though.. when we had the school reunion in Australia a few years ago (the first one) when Norm was still alive, I went up to him and asked him if he remembered me.. and he said he did but he didn?t. So I reminded him about what he said to me when he gave me my Matric certificate and then I turned my back on him. It was great because I was so much taller and YOUNGER than him LOL !!
Michelle Hellman
One thing is really clear is that school is a pathetic predictor of performance or ability. Most of you have done absolutely brilliantly regardless of Norm?s opinions or matric results. The problem of course is finding a way of chanelling ability and potential so that we can emerge intact and successful.
Sam Sharp
Ok..Dave Garb outed me. Norm was at my wedding. What can I say? My parents and the Sandlers had a mutual friend and socialised occasionally. But I have to say that what Naomi, Dave and particularly Tevis have said resonate with me strongly.

I actually did fulfill one of the Garb criteria but felt it had limited value. I certainly was no academic. My nightmare part of the year every year that featured them were those weeks that preceded the dreaded ?parents night? where my mother would more often than not return home in tears.

I was socially inept and could call no girls friends except for my next-door neighbours Deanne Garb and Cynthia Fogel. I had several crushes but they might keep for Ash?s new ?Romances? idea.

But I was in the 1st cricket team from Form 3 onwards and yes, this won me favour from Norm. Once I was sent to the office for something or other and instead of collecting flaps I returned with an autographed Dudley Nourse cricket bat that he gave me.
Outrageous favouritism. And when I did something good on the field he would greet me warmly in the playground the next day.

But what the analysis misses is it did not make me any happier at school. What I craved was acceptance not from the headmaster but from my peers and most didn?t give a stuff about cricket. Perhaps academic success would have given me more confidence but only Garbian criterion number 3 would have done it I am afraid and that was never going to happen.

Up until 1969 I was the only captain of the 1st IX in the history of the school not to have been made a prefect. Please believe me when I say that I did not particularly want to be a prefect but that little anomaly played on my mind for years. Why was I different?

Naomi talks of the Boss?s bullying. We all experienced that. I saw, years later, how it could have been otherwise. In the US, my daughter?s primary school principal would go down on one knee from which position he would gently address his smaller students, so that at approximately their height he would not intimidate them. In Australia, I once witnessed Peter Nixon (a former SA Progressive politician some of you might remember), while headmaster of a Jewish day High school, talking to his students in tones of respect that must have made them feel worthy as individuals- exactly the sort of sentiment you want them to carry with them throughout their lives. Instead we got ?you miserable little worm? and plenty of physical abuse ? at least the boys did. The girls, it could be argued, got worse. Their punishment was to learn lines of poetry. A strategy beautifully designed to engender a real love of that particular form of literature. What an idiot.

And yet, at least in aggregate many of you, like me, feel positive about the school experience. In my case I had the the fortune of having a few wonderful teachers who offered me the most important gift they had to give; encouragement. When Noya Shapira told me that I wrote Hebrew like an Israeli or Heather Rosenberg praised an essay I wrote, or Sue Freed liked my interpretation of a bit of poetry, I felt like maybe I could do this stuff. I also had great friends, like Errol Price, Stephen Friedman and Philip Cramer from whom I learnt a great deal, especially politically, toward the end of high-school.

What I am saying is that despite his best efforts, Norman could not ruin our experience totally. Nor could not actually influence what went on in the classroom when it was being led by one of the better teachers. A revealing moment that I remember vividly was Dr Thomas one day giving us one of her ?stories?. She was lying prone on the table and most of us were in a similar recline as she waxed on fascinatingly about vestal virgins and other Roman delights. Norman was on one of his rounds. I saw him at the moment he first took this sight in. He was about to explode but then hesitated, thought better of
it and, incredibly, moved on. That moment told me that his power was not absolute. He could bully some teachers but he valued others far too much to humiliate them publicly.

(Leveen)
Sam you had Norm at your wedding and I had Konnie at my Barmi. He gapped all the kichel and herring. I still love you even if you danced the horah with the enemy
Naomi Perkel
It is amazing how vivid certain memories of ?the boss? have been jolted. I think that it is interesting to realize that no one was alone in their feelings about certain things which are common experiences that we never talked about. Retrospectively, was ?feelings? and ?fear of authority? talked about words? I had been to Orange Grove elementary school and the discipline from the teachers and corporal punishment and fear of authority was even worse than ?the boss?. We grew up in a very authoratarian society and our parents accepted that as part of going to school. The emphasis on ?achievement? in sport and academics is counterproductive in many ways. My children?s elementary school in Solomon Schechter Jewish Day school in the United States was so different to my schooling. The children?s report cards said either ? satisfactory? or ?unsatisfactory?, with an explanatin if there was some concern. I am rather thankful for their work not being graded on those strange measures which represent grades and not true linear measures. People learn at different rates, in different ways and unfortunately labeling young people at an early age results in stifled creativity. Every one has a potential, and every one can achieve, but it might not always happen in the class room or school experience. That was the fault of the recognition of only academics. As I read the biographies of different students, it is obvious that many of our former classmates have succeeded beyond the prediction of those stifling grades. Peer acceptance is one of the hardest burdens to overcome during teenage years.
I think that I kept beneath Norm Sandler?s radar range, so I never had much interaction with him. However, it is a nasty lasting memory to recall a face in black rimmed thick lense glasses popping up through the half frosted window of our classroom, interrupting a class, undermining a teacher and bellowing out, ? so and so?you are not doing what you are supposed to ?Get to my office? or ? so and so get to the barber to trim those side burns, and report to my office when you return?. What was that all about?
Janice Kooper
Naomi, it was sometimes ME who had to report to his office from my class.. I remember standing outside his office waiting for my punishment then having to go into the ?inner sanctum? which was actually quite a lovely office and standing there shaking in my shoes whilst he berated me, told me how useless I was and that if I wasn?t such a good athlete I wouldn?t have been accepted into the school.. he forgot to mention however, that my parents LOTS of money to him to ?let? me go to the school. Then he gave me my punishment which was to learn off by heart , a chapter of Isaiah II or something and I of course, couldn?t learn it off by heart because I was far too busy doing other non academic things and so I had to go back to his office to cop even more punishment but he wasn?t there!!! so I didn?t have to tell him I hadn?t learned anything! whew! (am not quite sure why I was called to his office in the first place!) ..(can?t remember) !! I just remember he used to ?pick? on me a lot.. for my own good he used to say.. and THEN, do you remember he made Beverley Bentel the head girl! weren?t we all pissed off about that! yes okay she was my best friend from primary school days but hello.. she wasn?t at King David for one year before she was made head girl! how much did HER parents pay him!!!
Naomi Perkel
Dear Janice, I have enjoyed reading your bio and learning of your life on the farm, challenges and your succeses and how you have overcome new countries and situations. I am sorry to learn as well of the negative memories of your interactions with a principal who was able to say those terrible things to you. I do not belileve that you are alone in these negative memories. As for making you study Isiaah as a punishement, and many of the girls similarly psalms, I will never understand the logic behind that. Who would the Beth Din have backed had we complained about the misues of holy text-him or us?
Unfortunately money has a most corrupting power and results in favors to the less deserving universally. Our daily newspapers in our state seem to uncover a lot of that sort of corruption here.
One thing, perhaps those adverse situations did make us stronger as adults and enable us to overcome and resolve to get along with our lives, despite that negative stuff.
I have enjoyed learning about your work on the farm. I wish you every success in this. What are the brown snakes that you mention? All the best, Naomi
Janice Kooper
Hi Naomi! yes I think we all overcame Norm and went on to succeed at what we do in our own lives!
Collette Hatchuel
Phew, I was lucky, then. Got off lightly in those days. I was sent to Norman Sandler after Brian (surname? Rosenberg maybe) elaborately opened a note I sent to Debbie Morgenstern, asking her to draw me a picture of Mr Katz. Mr Katz sent me to ?the boss? and he told me ?to tell Mr Katz you have been punished?.
Jeff Miller

I was another one of those suckers who decided on Latin for Form 1 as we had heard what a fantastic teacher Doc Thomas was. SHOCK AND HORROR when the Boss walked in to Form 1FF.

Form 2 saw a quick change to Geography with Sean Connor.

I might be one of the few who got on very well with the Boss.  I think it because in Form 4 and Matric, I was used to telling him what I wanted to do, and not asking him what he wanted me to do!.

One of my duties as a prefect was to sit on the top corner of the rugby field each morning to catch late comers t. Norman would come there often and we would sit and chat.

The biggest favor that Norman did for me was actually after I left school and got married.

Cheryl was teaching at Carmel School in Pretoria just before we got married. She brought a letter through from her headmaster for Norman one day.

We went together to drop it off at his flat.  He asked us where we were intending to live when we got married, and we told him that Cheryl was coming to teach at King David, but we had not yet found accommodation. He offered us a job as Hostel Parents. So we got married in Dec 1975 and moved straight into the hostel. You can not imagine how much we managed to save in that first year not having to pay rent, and having three meals a day available to us. It was an amazing year working with the Hostel kids.

Naomi Stein

Having expressed my thoughts on our boss?s character flaws,  and having read last night everyone else?s on the KDHS site,  (it is so good to have one?s feeling?s validated by so many)    (I seem to have missed or dropped some of the threads along the way),  I wanted to look at things from the perspective of the ?Other?,   and  started thinking about him in the social and political context of the times.

Out of the blue it hit me one day when I was about 30 that WW11 and the holocaust and anti-semitism happened just seven years before we were born  (hardly profound ?

but for me, whilst at school,  ten years could have been 100,  and all that happened a long time before I was born,  more or less in the olden days.

Similarly, although I knew that King David was started in the mid 1950?s,  I didnt realize (and had never really thought about it) until talking to you about our school days, that we were amongst the first cohorts to have been educated there,  and that the school had only been started 10 years earlier.  (All those pictures of kids older than us ? they could have been 5 years older or 50 years older,  it was all the same to me).

Although in complete agreement with Lindsey?s statistical analysis,   Norman the Deviant must have been juggling quite a lot then.

He was beholden to the secular SA school curriculum,  (which was like that of Britain circa 19th century)

He was beholden to whoever it was (I forget ? must be an unconscious indicator of my feelings about them) who chose our Hebrew and Jewish studies syllabus.    We were amongst the first cohorts to be taught Hebrew for the purposes of everyday speech and going to live in Israel (with a great deal of excitement post 1948)  Before our era,  Hebrew was learnt mainly by the Orthodox, for studying and praying.   Could he speak Hebrew himself?  What was his Jewish education like?   Did he know how uninspiring(to say the least) most of our teachers were?

He was also beholden to the Jewish Board of Deputies who, the Nationalists having been elected in 1948,  were terrified that we be seen as different or controversial,  for fear of antiSemitism.   Many at the time disagreed with the whole idea of a separate school.

He probably did have to ?show us off?  and market the school as being wonderful,  so as to attract more pupils.   There was no proof then that a parochial Jewish  school could be successful.    He probably did have to get funding for the school and be charming to those who could provide it?..

How is that for an about- face?

A further thought on our education.   The Hebrew and Jewish Studies teachers were probably uninspiring because many of them were schooled by Orthodox talmud scholars themselves,  some came via Europe and some via Eastern European shtetls.  Many were traumatized,  perhaps some didn?t really know how to teach,  or whatever.    But no-one spoke about post traumatic stress disorder then.   It was a pity for us  and they,  sadly,  were ?rawfed?  (talking about being unseen and bullied.)

Lindsay Leveen

Naomi This is a very astute way to think of this. No doubt that the holocaust, the nats, the birth of Israel played a big role in how the institution was run. But that Deviant thought he was running Eton was a bit of the figment of his own warped imagination. He was a sadist who enjoyed the pain he inflicted. Dr Beron had the same stock of spoiled kids albeit much younger yet he did not resort to sadism rather he resorted to involvement and caring. Of course horny boys at sixteen are far worse than little guys of ten but there was no need for Deviance on Sandler?s part. He could have let Zampy walk around in her mini skirt and we would have been pacified so to speak. I have to admit I learned a lot from the teachers but I learned nothing from Deviant Sandler

Gary Davis

Uncle Norm was Uncle Norm?.no relation to the holocaust. He was a headmaster. He was not supposed to be loved. Who loves a headmaster. To me he was the perfect headmaster. God bless him.
(Leveen)
Gary you are a Civil Engineer becuase you are Civilized. I am a Chemical Engineer because I wanted to invent the antidote to Deviant Sandler. I will never call him Norm again. He needed to have his head read and then he may have mastered the ability to lead us. He just beat us into submission and never taught me a thing. Pissy Urinovski taught me science and I admire the guy. Zampy taught me English and I more than admired her I gawked.
Terry Levenberg
Sandler was an inexcusable bully, but it was the nature of the times and the pretensions of the Public School system that he was a remnant of.
Robert Heilbrunn

High School -1st day

I do not recall much of that day except that Milton Levine and I landed in the Bosses office for 6 o? the best / later that day back at the hostel Meish Zimmerman called us in to his office and explained that since we got flapped by Mr Sandler , he too would land him mark and proceeded to give me 5 more -(as he said we?ll make it one short of a dozen, not  a bad start to the year, Robbie!)

In those days I was always in shit ? only a matter of depth.

Me thinks of the rugby song +? Balls to Mr Sandler the dirty old shit

He keeps us a waiting while he?s masturbating?..

We had good reason to sing that song with gusto?

Rene Dembo

Whilst writing our Matric exam the Boss called me to his office.  He wanted to know what I was going to do once school was over.  I had registered to do teaching as the state paid for university if one contracted to teach.  He asked me what I really wanted to do, which was social work, and within a few days he organised a bursary for me.  I was able to do Social Work, which I did at Wits.   I don?t diminish the experiences recounted by so many people about ?the boss?.   I had the benefit of another side of Norman Sandler for which I will always be appreciative.